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Tuesday, September 10, 2013

Ask the IFers

I mentioned in a previous post that I was disappointed that I wouldn't get to take advantage of the mucus-enhancing effects of the antibiotic ampicillin because I started taking it on peak day last cycle.  Well, it turns out that I didn't miss out on the mucus-enhancing effects.  I started having what looked like fertile mucus on CD6 this cycle, right when I was finishing up the ampicillin.  At first I thought, "Oh, maybe I'm ovulating early."  The good mucus continued almost every day until my peak day, which was CD17.  That's a long mucus cycle...too long actually.  (I already have pre-peak yellow stamps; this was just way out of the ordinary.)  So I'm hoping that all that extra good-looking mucus was the residual effects of the ampicillin and it doesn't mean I've developed a new problem with ovulation...

Anyway, having twelve days of good mucus is a lot when you're TTC.  It's easy to get burned out even with a regular length mucus cycle when you're trying to maximize your chances of pregnancy.  Now that everything is treated medically (and the fact that I'm on Clomid) it really would be best if we tried pretty hard to use the best mucus days.  But nothing says romantic more than, "Hey honey, I had 10KL today.  We should use today."  (Can you hear my sarcasm?  I promise you it's dripping.)  The last thing I want to do is use DH for his sperm.  (I have asked him multiple times over the past few years if he feels used, and good discussion followed.  Thankfully he's never felt used, but I do worry sometimes.)  I know I'm not the only one who struggles with this.

So I had a thought.  I wanted to share some strategies I've learned for how to get those i's* on the chart, and I wanted to ask for your suggestions and tips on the topic as well.

Then I had another thought...this would make a good series of posts.  Each post would be a different topic where we (me in the post and you in the comments) share our collective wisdom.  Okay, maybe this is already what happens with some blog posts, but now I'm going to group them together under a common heading.  :)  It might be a good reference to go back to later.  If you have ideas for topics, please tell me!  What things have you been dying to ask a group of IFers?  (anonymously, even)
 
And because a series needs a fun image...


The question of the day:  How do you manage to get an adequate frequency of acts of intercourse during the fertile days each cycle?

So here's what I've learned along the way...  I'm trying to keep these points as "generic" as possible because this is a very sensitive and personal issue.

First a note about how I word things.  With Creighton, we talk about choosing days for intercourse or "using" days.  That's what I mean below when I say "use a day."  We also talk about the i's written on the chart (i = intercourse that day).

1. The first piece of advice comes from the back of the Creighton chart:  "Abstain until good mucus is present."  This is especially recommended if there is a low sperm count, but I've found it helpful for any IF couple.  By abstaining for a certain number of days before the good mucus starts (for example, seven days or the entire pre-peak phase starting on CD1), it can build up some anticipation making it easier to use the fertile days (and more of them).  When you're using NFP to avoid a pregnancy, you'll hear about a mini "honeymoon phase" that supposedly happens on peak+4 in each cycle because it's the beginning of the infertile phase of the cycle.  So it's like that but at a different time of the cycle.  Personally, following this instruction has helped us a lot.

2.  Keep your husband updated during the day if you see good mucus.  Let him know as soon as possible after you observe it.  That way he has more time to mentally prepare.  If he has a stressful job, long hours, or comes home tired, he might want to know ahead of time (before he gets home from work) that he should save a little energy for later.  And it also means you're not springing, "I had 10KL today," on him when he's going to bed and is completely exhausted.  The plus side of using Creighton is that if an e-mail or text message of "10KL" is accidentally seen by a coworker, they won't have a clue what it means.  Or if you're at work and on the phone with him at lunch and you say, "Hey, it's 10KL today," the person overhearing you doesn't know what you're talking about.  (unless of course you work with other Creighton users...then you obviously need a different code)  :)

3.  Another piece of advice from the back of the Creighton chart:  "Use the days of best quality and quantity [of mucus] and the first two days after."  If you see mucus that fits that description, make an extra effort to use that day.  If you can use more than one day in a row, great.  If not, try to make it a goal to aim for every other day.  That takes the pressure off of both of you to use every good mucus day.  That "break" day in between can be really helpful...knowing that you get the night off, so to speak, ahead of time can relieve some stress that can build up over getting i's on the chart.  If there are cycles where you don't get to every other day, try not to beat yourself up too much.  (I've done that.)  Just try again next time.

A little story...  When I was first learning to be a Creighton practitioner, I had a supervisor review all my client cases.  I had an IF client.  Most cycles there was only one act of intercourse during the fertile time, and it wasn't often on one of the best mucus days.  My supervisor asked me if I had discussed the instruction on the back of the chart (about using the best quality/quantity mucus days) with the client.  I told her I had, but the client gave many excuses why they couldn't manage more than one i per (mucus) cycle.  My supervisor told me to ask the client, "How badly do you want to get pregnant?"  I told her I knew the answer would be, "We want it more than anything!"  The client had cried in front of me during a follow up because she was so frustrated that they weren't pregnant.  My supervisor told me to point out to the client, "Your actions don't match your desire.  If you tell me you really really really want to be pregnant, then your actions had better indicate that.  You need to work harder if you want to reach your goal of pregnancy--meaning you need to plan multiple acts of intercourse during the fertile time.  Waiting until the conditions are perfect and you're both well-rested and in the mood is not good enough.  You can't rely on spontaneity anymore.  You need to put in the effort."

What my supervisor said made sense.  She had many years of experience working with IF couples under her belt, so I knew the advice was trustworthy.  I am also pretty sure she had to personally use her own advice because she faced quite a few years of secondary infertility herself.

4.  Go on a date or do something romantic on the fertile days.  Turn off all the lights and eat dinner by candlelight.  Do something not in your normal routine to create a romantic atmosphere.  Show your husband you love him in his love language.  Ask him to do the same for you.  (Are you familiar with the five love languages?)  If he appreciates acts of service, do a chore for him you know he hates doing.  If he likes gifts, get him something.  If he likes quality time, carve out part of the evening to do something together or just sit on the couch and talk.  Start as early in the day as possible with these gestures if you can. 

If you need more ideas, google "Moxie Wife."  It's a Catholic blog, and she often has ideas to spice up marriage and increase the romance.

5.  Use different times of the day.  Ask your husband what time of day he prefers.  Tell him what you prefer.  Sometimes switching up what time you use (morning vs. afternoon/dinner time vs. bedtime) can help, either because it's different from your usual routine or because it's a more preferred time of day.  I remember one client I had where the wife worked a night shift and the husband worked first shift.  They just couldn't find the time where they were both awake and not exhausted.  I asked the husband if it would be okay if his wife woke him up when she got home (in the middle of the night).  He said he had never thought about it, but was open to the idea.  It ended up working well for them.

6.  Minimize or eliminate obstacles.  What are your "excuses" for not having more i's on the chart?  Identify them and see if you can overcome them.  If it's related to being too busy, can you keep your schedule clear during the fertile time?  If it's related to being too tired, can you try to go to bed earlier?  If there's other stress in your life, figure out how to reduce it or manage it better.

7.  I went back and forth on this one--should I include it or not?  Is it too scandalous?  Tell me if it is and I'll delete it.  I think it's helpful advice though...

For those days you know you really should try to use...

This piece of advice is from a very perceptive friend of mine when she was engaged (and chaste).  We were talking about IF and NaPro.  (She was very familiar with CrMS and NaPro since she charted and had surgery for endo prior to this conversation.)  She paused for a moment and then out of the blue said, "It must be hard sometimes to use the best days, especially if you're being treated with NaPro and you know you really should but you might not be in the mood."  I nodded in agreement.  Unprompted, she continued, "I guess on those days you just have to completely focus on your husband and do everything that pleases him.  Like you have to try to be really unselfish and focus all your attention on him."  I'm pretty sure she had read "Love and Responsibility" by Pope John Paul II before he was pope, so I think that helped her come to that conclusion.  I'm still impressed that she said that.  I think she's absolutely right.

8.  If the stress of TTC is getting to be too much, consider and pray about taking a break for a cycle or more.  When you're taking meds for TTC, especially those to induce ovulation or that are expensive, it's best to discuss this before taking those meds for the cycle.  I take my Clomid on CD3, so if we were going to take a break for a cycle, we would want to decide that before CD3, not on the first good mucus day on CD11.  If you're not on those kinds of meds, then you could make a decision to take a break closer to when the fertile time begins.


Okay, your turn.  What's your best advice?  I'm ready to soak up your wisdom.  :)





*In case the misplacement of apostrophes drives you up the wall too, I learned that it's correct to write the plural of a lowercase letter with an apostrophe, at least according to a certain major manual of style.  When you're trying to write the plural of i you also need the apostrophe to prevent ambiguity..." 'is' on the chart" just doesn't work when I mean more than one i.

15 comments:

  1. Wow, this is some pretty good advice. We actually recently decided to go against our CrMS instruction and not let the chart dictate when we have intercourse. It got to be so conception focused that I's during the fertile times were the only I's on the chart. Naturally a woman will want to put more I's on the chart during the time of fertile mucus because let's face it is just more enjoyable during the fertile time ;) I would say that if you have been TTC for more than a couple years you should not stick to the rules so strictly especially if the couple wants to have I's on IF days. That's just my 2cents.

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  2. Consider underthings and nighties that make you feel confident and sexy as a medical expense! It can be hard to justify the expense otherwise, but it can make a difference in how you feel and help your husband get more excited after several days of trying.

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  3. Hahaha Stephanie, I love it! Now if only those purchases could somehow be covered by my health insurance...

    I think your advice is great. I also think I'm at a place where I've seen how focusing too much on getting those I's on the chart was draining on our marriage. We actually are reading the book "Holy Sex" by Dr. Popchak and it's really good, especially the um, practical advice, if you know what I mean. He even talks about the challenge of IF, including the challenge of not turning love-making into only baby-making. If I'm honest with myself, I probably don't put enough effort into this area of our marriage, period, and I certainly have a lot of excuses why that's the case, and I need to examine those. But I also want to keep in mind (and this is really hard for me) that my #1 goal is a good marriage, not a baby. Keeping that perspective makes getting I's when it's a good CM day not feel like a "must" or not feel like we failed if we don't have a lot of I's that month.

    I look forward to other questions in your series! =)

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  4. Wow, what a great post. I know our "love making" has turned into "baby making". I focus all my effort on the fertile days that I need a break from it but I think my husband is starting to feel the only time we do is during my fertile time, IF is so draining and hard. What does everyone else do to keep their marriage and the act not only about baby making? I don't want my husband to feel used but after 4 years of knowing when your fertile time is, it is so hard to keep things interesting. Any great books out there to help? Thank you for this series and I can't wait to read more.

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  5. I love the suggestion of the "The Five Love Languages." It's one of my top book recommendations for client couples (I have actually met and interviewed the author - he really is a wise man!).

    I try to take the pressure off couples in F/U as much as possible. I tell them if waiting until "good mucus days" is helpful, do it. If abstaining adds strain, don't beat yourself up if you use a day before that. Hey, you're married! Just try not to turn into a pressure cooker because that is a fast libido killer (at least for me, it is!).

    I also like the suggestion of every other day. I try to remind couples (and myself) that mucus helps sperm survive (and I repeat that over and over, haha). :)

    This may not be a "new" suggestion, but don't forget the "two days following" or the "count of three." Often times, libido/interest drops after Peak Day. BUT... I know of a lot of pregnancies resulting from those key "drier" days following the days of best quality and quantity.

    I will say, speaking from personal experience, getting rid of excuses is key. Our second pregnancy came about when I decided to make being together a priority. We admittedly didn't even come close to using the "best days", but had I left it up to "feeling like it", we wouldn't have used ANY days because we had way too much going on. I am very happy we didn't let the busyness get in the way as we had done so many times before, to say the least!

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  6. Thank you so much for this post--we've been struggling with this lately. To the point where I get so stressed that I'm not in the mood on any of the most fertile days. Ugh. I'm looking forward to reading more responses!

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  7. This is a great post. We had trouble conceiving our first, and we are now having trouble conceiving our second, so this is an issue we have been struggling with since early on in our marriage. I happen to agree wholeheartedly with No. 7. Let's face it, the best babymaking days do not always coincide with a weekend or a stress-free day, so it is inevitable that sometimes, it really is going to be about babymaking rather than lovemaking. I think this is especially stressful on the husband because, well, he has a bit more work to do, so why not at least try to make it easier for him by focusing on him. One other thing we have gotten into a habit of doing is having a weekly "date" night where we know that on Friday nights after the baby is in bed, we will spend time together watching a movie or laying in bed together, which inevitably leads to other things. Even if we have a stressful week, we know we get to look forward to that time together. Even though it is expected and predictable, it is also fun. And that helps balance out the days were were are just babymaking because we have to.

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  8. Sarah, I used to follow your blog before you went private. So happy to see you are expecting another baby! (Sorry, I sound like a creepy stalker)

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  9. Haha - love the image of the birds! :)

    A great post... IF is tiring and I really appreciate your friend's thoughts! How perceptive of her! After months and even years it was crazy that sometimes it seemed like a chore - but I really had to remind myself to focus not only on the baby-making aspect. I always felt really weird about writing the i's down too, haha. Also true what your supervisor said. I guess the hardest part was the repeated "perfect" cycles - knowing I nailed those perfect 10KL days and having no pregnancy to show for it.

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  10. While I love some of these suggestions, #3 concerns me a bit. Yes, we have to do our part (obviously :)), but sexual intercourse is always to be both unitive and open to life (potentially procreative). As ecce said, the #1 goal is a good marriage, and my understanding is that is the #1 goal of NaPro too. When we start only making love because we have to and making it all about baby making, we are separating these ends. And, as Katie pointed out (and I have experienced) we aren't in the mood on the days that naturally we should be most in the mood.

    The wording your supervisor used makes me cringe just a bit. I think of the nights I've spent literally sobbing in the bathroom and then just didn't have the emotional energy to use the next night and I wonder "did we just not want to be parents badly enough?" It reminds me of the comments about IVF (which is different, totally, I know) that state the same "if you wanted it badly enough, you would do it." I would much rather see the suggestion be to pray and talk and share the emotions and practical challenges that are causing these days to be hard to come together with the goal of making using those days more natural. No, it won't always happen, but from experience, missing a day and having a relaxing evening is way better for a marriage than forcing the issue and/or crying in the bathroom afterwards.

    I admit, maybe this is just my "issue" as I am super-sensitive to the separating of unitive and procreative ends because of our history.

    I'm really not trying to be argumentative, I came back to this post 4 times before I wrote this. I just wanted to share a bit of a different perspective for anyone who is struggling. Also to encourage those who are struggling that there is a way to increase the i's without questioning whether or not they want to be parents badly enough.

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  11. I thought of another tip to add =) (and actually, your post made me think quite a bit about this topic, so thanks!) about "being in the mood"...this might be TMI, sorry - but sometimes just making an effort makes a difference. One or both of us might not be in the mood, but just being together and trying can sometimes change the mood =) I hope that was clear without being too explicit, ha! (although when is that a concern for IF-ers...?)

    One more thought about #3, and echoing Rebecca above - with the particular example you shared, it does make me wonder whether there were other, deeper issues going on in that person's marriage that contributed to not coming together often. Of course a Creighton instructor is not a marriage counselor, but lack of intimacy could mean a lot more than "not wanting it badly enough" or making excuses, etc. (Part of keeping the big picture in mind, I think.)

    Thanks again for this thought-provoking post!

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    1. And to expand just a little more on my "tip": for me, "making the effort" means making time to be together, maybe wearing something nice, setting the mood with candles, etc., (and all of this on a night maybe you don't feel like it) and then seeing how it goes. If it's really not happening, then being at peace about that and not forcing the other (that seems out of place in marriage, period) or making the other feel guilty for "failing." But a lot of times I've noticed my mood change once I stop thinking about not being in the mood and start focusing on the moment and my husband (like someone said above).

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    2. Yes! So much more eloquently put, but this (both of your comments here) is what I was trying to say :). Thanks :).

      And, yes, thank-you Polkadot for this post.

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  12. Great advice!! I don't think I have anything to add right now, but I wanted to let you know I will certainly be using this advice for myself and my husband in the near future. Thank you! Looking forward to more Ask the IFers.

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  13. Love this post, and your idea for future posts like it!!

    I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but here are some initial thoughts:

    I have found that the best advice is like the advice your friend (unmarried and chaste at the time!) gave you. To be totally unselfish on those days of optimal fertility. To give of yourself to your spouse, which ALSO means if after showering him with love, attention, and affection, he cannot for whatever reason perform - ACCEPTING that! You will both, in the end, feel much better about your intimacy knowing that even if it can't/won't happen, no one is going to "hold a grudge" against the other.

    I do also have to say... I really, REALLY have a problem with this:

    "Your actions don't match your desire. If you tell me you really really really want to be pregnant, then your actions had better indicate that. You need to work harder if you want to reach your goal of pregnancy--meaning you need to plan multiple acts of intercourse during the fertile time. Waiting until the conditions are perfect and you're both well-rested and in the mood is not good enough. You can't rely on spontaneity anymore. You need to put in the effort."

    I know what she was trying to say. I get it. And more importantly, I think ALL IFers GET IT!! I think this needs to be approached much more delicately than that. There are often a multitude of factors contributing to an IF couple's lack of Is on a chart that have little to do with their lack of desire or initiative or effort. Would we ever tell a TTA couple that their multiple Is on every infertile day was a sign that they didn't *really* want to avoid pregnancy, or that they were using each other for sex, or that one of them had a problem with porn?? All of that might in fact be a factor, but it's no help to anyone to have the obvious sore topic thrown in their face in that manner. A more gentle approach to get to the UNDERLYING CAUSES (isn't that what FertilityCare is all about?!) would be to ask the couple:
    "I notice there are not a lot of Is on your chart during the days of fertility. Let's talk about that. What are some ways that can be improved, do you think?"

    "Your actions had better match your desire" sounds like a threat to me!!!

    I have often seen Is ONLY on days of fertility in the IF couple's chart, and I think this is the more pressing issue to address for their overall spiritual health. I will generally give "homework assignments" in those cases, and tell the couple by the next follow-up, they should have at least one *I* on a day of infertility ;) It helps them both, I think, to know for a fact that the day is infertile with no chance of conception, and begin to learn to love making love without conditions.

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